Legislature(2005 - 2006)

05/06/2005 06:21 PM House FIN


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                  HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                        May 6, 2005                                                                                             
                         6:21 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer called the House  Finance Committee meeting to                                                                   
order at 6:21:01 PM.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Chenault, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                            
Representative Bill Stoltze, Vice-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Eric Croft                                                                                                       
Representative Richard Foster                                                                                                   
Representative Mike Hawker                                                                                                      
Representative Jim Holm                                                                                                         
Representative Reggie Joule                                                                                                     
Representative Mike Kelly                                                                                                       
Representative Carl Moses                                                                                                       
Representative Bruce Weyhrauch                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Jane  Alberts,   Staff,  Senator  Con  Bunde;   Nona  Wilson,                                                                   
Legislative Liaison, Department  of Transportation and Public                                                                   
Facilities;  Pam  Lewis,  Division  Aviation,  Department  of                                                                   
Transportation   and   Public  Facilities;   Greg   O'Claray,                                                                   
Commissioner,  Department of  Labor;  Paul Lisanke,  Director                                                                   
Division of  Workers' Compensation,  Department of  Labor and                                                                   
Workforce  Development;   Representative  David   Guttenberg;                                                                   
Jason  Hooley,   Staff,  Senator   Dyson;  Joel   Gilbertson,                                                                   
Commissioner,  Department of  Health &  Social Services;  Amy                                                                   
Seitz, Staff,  Senator Tom Wagoner; John  Kuterbach, Division                                                                   
of Air Quality  and Air Permits, Department  of Environmental                                                                   
Conservation                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Steve Mulder, Assistant Attorney General, Department of Law                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 130(FIN) am                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating to  a  special deposit  for  workers'                                                                   
     compensation   and   employers'    liability   insurers;                                                                   
     relating  to assigned risk  pools; relating  to workers'                                                                   
     compensation  insurers;   stating  the  intent   of  the                                                                   
     legislature,  and  setting out  limitations,  concerning                                                                   
     the interpretation, construction,  and implementation of                                                                   
     workers'  compensation  laws;  relating  to  the  Alaska                                                                   
     Workers'  Compensation Board;  assigning certain  Alaska                                                                   
     Workers'  Compensation Board  functions to the  division                                                                   
     of workers' compensation  in the Department of Labor and                                                                   
     Workforce  Development  and   to  that  department,  and                                                                   
     authorizing  the board  to  delegate administrative  and                                                                   
     enforcement  duties  to   the  division;  providing  for                                                                   
     workers'  compensation  hearing   officers  in  workers'                                                                   
     compensation   proceedings;   establishing  a   Workers'                                                                   
     Compensation  Appeals Commission;  relating to  workers'                                                                   
     compensation  medical benefits  and to  charges for  and                                                                   
     payment of  fees for the  medical benefits;  relating to                                                                   
     agreements   that   discharge    workers'   compensation                                                                   
     liability;  relating  to workers'  compensation  awards;                                                                   
     relating  to reemployment  benefits and job  dislocation                                                                   
     benefits;   relating   to   coordination   of   workers'                                                                   
     compensation  and certain disability benefits;  relating                                                                   
     to division  of workers' compensation  records; relating                                                                   
     to  release   of  treatment  records;  relating   to  an                                                                   
     employer's  failure  to   insure  and  keep  insured  or                                                                   
     provide   security;    providing   for    appeals   from                                                                   
     compensation  orders; relating to workers'  compensation                                                                   
     proceedings;  providing for  supreme court  jurisdiction                                                                   
     of  appeals  from  the  Workers'   Compensation  Appeals                                                                   
     Commission;  providing  for  a maximum  amount  for  the                                                                   
     cost-of-living  adjustment   for  workers'  compensation                                                                   
     benefits;  relating  to attorney  fees  with respect  to                                                                   
     workers' compensation;  providing for the  department to                                                                   
     enter  into contracts  with  nonprofit organizations  to                                                                   
     provide  information services  and legal  representation                                                                   
     to  injured  employees;   providing  for  administrative                                                                   
     penalties  for employers  uninsured or without  adequate                                                                   
     security   for   workers'  compensation;   relating   to                                                                   
     fraudulent  acts or  false or  misleading statements  in                                                                   
     workers'  compensation  and penalties  for  the acts  or                                                                   
     statements;   providing   for  members   of  a   limited                                                                   
     liability  company to  be  included as  an employee  for                                                                   
     purposes  of   workers'  compensation;   establishing  a                                                                   
     workers'  compensation  benefits guaranty  fund;  making                                                                   
     conforming amendments; providing  for a study and report                                                                   
     by the  medical services review committee;  establishing                                                                   
     the Task  Force on Workers' Compensation;  and providing                                                                   
     for an effective date."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     CSSB 130 (JUD) was REPORTED  out of Committee with a "no                                                                   
     recommendation"  recommendation and  with the  following                                                                   
     zero fiscal impact  notes, #7 COM, #9 LEG,  and with the                                                                   
     following fiscal  notes, #8 LWD,  #10 LWD, #11  LAW, #12                                                                   
     LAW, and #13 LAW.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 142(L&C)                                                                                                                   
          "An Act  relating to ownership of land  by regional                                                                   
          school  boards;  and  providing  for  an  effective                                                                   
          date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          CSSB 142  (L&C) was REPORTED out of  Committee with                                                                   
          a "no  recommendation" recommendation and  with two                                                                   
          zero fiscal impact notes: #1 EED, and #2 DOT.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 150(HES)                                                                                                                   
          "An  Act relating  to the  Alaska children's  trust                                                                   
          grant awards."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          CSSB 150  (HES) was REPORTED out of  Committee with                                                                   
          a  "no recommendation"  recommendation  and with  a                                                                   
          zero  fiscal  impact  note  by  the  Department  of                                                                   
          Health and Social Services.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CSSB 144(RES)                                                                                                                   
          "An Act  relating to regulations,  definitions, and                                                                   
          permits under the emission  control permit program;                                                                   
          and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          CSSB 144  (RES) was REPORTED out of  Committee with                                                                   
          a  "no recommendation"  recommendation  and with  a                                                                   
          zero  fiscal  impact  note  by  the  Department  of                                                                   
          Environmental Conservation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
HB 208    "An Act authorizing  the Department of Military and                                                                   
          Veterans'  Affairs  to  establish and  maintain  an                                                                   
          Alaskan  veterans' cemetery;  and establishing  the                                                                   
          Alaska  veterans'  cemetery  fund  in  the  general                                                                   
          fund."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
          CSHB 208 (FIN) was REPORTED out of Committee with                                                                     
          a   "do   pass"   recommendation    and   with   an                                                                   
          indeterminate  fiscal impact  note by Military  and                                                                   
          Veterans Affairs.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:21:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 142(L&C)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to ownership of land by regional                                                                          
     school boards; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
JANE ALBERTS, STAFF,  SENATOR CON BUNDE, related  that SB 142                                                                   
excludes  airport  properties  from  AS  14.08.151(b),  which                                                                   
directs the state  to convey title to lands  used in relation                                                                   
to  regional   educational  attendance  area   schools,  when                                                                   
requested  to  do  so  by the  regional  school  board.    It                                                                   
resolves a conflict between AS  02.15.020, which requires the                                                                   
Department of Transportation and  Public Facilities to retain                                                                   
"satisfactory  property interest"  in  airport facilities  in                                                                   
order  to  participate  in federal  grant  programs,  and  AS                                                                   
14.08.151,   which   gives   regional   school   boards   the                                                                   
opportunity to  obtain title to land/structures  for regional                                                                   
educational  attendance area  (REAA) schools.   It saves  the                                                                   
Departments  of Transportation  and  Education time,  effort,                                                                   
and money  needed to settle  conflicting claims.   It ensures                                                                   
that  DOT&PF   will  be   able  to   meet  Federal   Aviation                                                                   
Administration (FAA) requirements  and obtain federal funding                                                                   
for airport  projects in  REAAs, and  it conforms statute  to                                                                   
legislative intent.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
6:25:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker commented  on  the encroachment  issue                                                                   
with  an exemption  for  schools.    He asked  about  highway                                                                   
right-of-way issues.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
NONA    WILSON,    LEGISLATIVE   LIAISON,    DEPARTMENT    OF                                                                   
TRANSPORTATION  AND  PUBLIC FACILITIES,  responded  that  the                                                                   
bill does  not require  a school  to return  any of  the land                                                                   
that they  are now on.   It establishes future  protection of                                                                   
the safety  of the runway and  the airport.   The legislation                                                                   
does  not intend  to force  the state  to compromise  federal                                                                   
funding.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:27:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Hawker asked why  the state would want to give                                                                   
up the ability  to support schools  as a real priority.   Ms.                                                                   
Wilson replied  that school boards are not  being challenged.                                                                   
They  can build  away  from  the building  restriction  line.                                                                   
Airport  land is  some  of the  best  land  and some  schools                                                                   
currently abut the runway.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
6:28:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker commented  that there  seems to  be an                                                                   
inconsistency  with  how  schools are  treated,  compared  to                                                                   
churches, on state land.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  inquired if there is an  appeal process                                                                   
in this legislation.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:29:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wilson replied  that the  department would  work with  a                                                                   
school board in  that case.  The department is  not trying to                                                                   
hinder  any  schools,  just prevent  encroaching  on  airport                                                                   
land.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Joule  stated his support  for the bill.   Ms.                                                                   
Wilson referred to  a map and explained how it  is related to                                                                   
the bill.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
6:31:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAM LEWIS,  DIVISION AVIATION,  DEPARTMENT OF  TRANSPORTATION                                                                   
AND PUBLIC FACILITIES,  added that the bill will  let the FAA                                                                   
know that DOT has title to the  land.  The intent of the bill                                                                   
is not to dislocate schools, just clean up statute.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer set SB 142 aside.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
6:33:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 130(FIN) am                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  relating to  a  special deposit  for  workers'                                                                   
     compensation   and   employers'    liability   insurers;                                                                   
     relating  to assigned risk  pools; relating  to workers'                                                                   
     compensation  insurers;   stating  the  intent   of  the                                                                   
     legislature,  and  setting out  limitations,  concerning                                                                   
     the interpretation, construction,  and implementation of                                                                   
     workers'  compensation  laws;  relating  to  the  Alaska                                                                   
     Workers'  Compensation Board;  assigning certain  Alaska                                                                   
     Workers'  Compensation Board  functions to the  division                                                                   
     of workers' compensation  in the Department of Labor and                                                                   
     Workforce  Development  and   to  that  department,  and                                                                   
     authorizing  the board  to  delegate administrative  and                                                                   
     enforcement  duties  to   the  division;  providing  for                                                                   
     workers'  compensation  hearing   officers  in  workers'                                                                   
     compensation   proceedings;   establishing  a   Workers'                                                                   
     Compensation  Appeals Commission;  relating to  workers'                                                                   
     compensation  medical benefits  and to  charges for  and                                                                   
     payment of  fees for the  medical benefits;  relating to                                                                   
     agreements   that   discharge    workers'   compensation                                                                   
     liability;  relating  to workers'  compensation  awards;                                                                   
     relating  to reemployment  benefits and job  dislocation                                                                   
     benefits;   relating   to   coordination   of   workers'                                                                   
     compensation  and certain disability benefits;  relating                                                                   
     to division  of workers' compensation  records; relating                                                                   
     to  release   of  treatment  records;  relating   to  an                                                                   
     employer's  failure  to   insure  and  keep  insured  or                                                                   
     provide   security;    providing   for    appeals   from                                                                   
     compensation  orders; relating to workers'  compensation                                                                   
     proceedings;  providing for  supreme court  jurisdiction                                                                   
     of  appeals  from  the  Workers'   Compensation  Appeals                                                                   
     Commission;  providing  for  a maximum  amount  for  the                                                                   
     cost-of-living  adjustment   for  workers'  compensation                                                                   
     benefits;  relating  to attorney  fees  with respect  to                                                                   
     workers' compensation;  providing for the  department to                                                                   
     enter  into contracts  with  nonprofit organizations  to                                                                   
     provide  information services  and legal  representation                                                                   
     to  injured  employees;   providing  for  administrative                                                                   
     penalties  for employers  uninsured or without  adequate                                                                   
     security   for   workers'  compensation;   relating   to                                                                   
     fraudulent  acts or  false or  misleading statements  in                                                                   
     workers'  compensation  and penalties  for  the acts  or                                                                   
     statements;   providing   for  members   of  a   limited                                                                   
     liability  company to  be  included as  an employee  for                                                                   
     purposes  of   workers'  compensation;   establishing  a                                                                   
     workers'  compensation  benefits guaranty  fund;  making                                                                   
     conforming amendments; providing  for a study and report                                                                   
     by the  medical services review committee;  establishing                                                                   
     the Task  Force on Workers' Compensation;  and providing                                                                   
     for an effective date."                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG O'CLARAY,  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF  LABOR, explained                                                                   
that HCSSB  130 (JUD),  Version X, is  a bill that  addresses                                                                   
the problem  of making workers' compensation  more efficient,                                                                   
and deals  with runaway rate increases.   A key issue  is the                                                                   
establishment of a legislative task force.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
PAUL  LISANKE, DIRECTOR  DIVISION  OF WORKERS'  COMPENSATION,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF  LABOR AND  WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT,  referred to                                                                   
Section 65, page 30, as the section  that deals with the task                                                                   
force.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:36:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  O'Claray  explained  that  there has  not  been                                                                   
enough  time to  deal  with this  issue,  so  Section 65  was                                                                   
inserted.  He spoke in support of the bill.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked if the biggest  change in Version  X is                                                                   
Section  65.  Commissioner  O'Claray  replied that there  are                                                                   
various   changes,    and   this    version   is    not   the                                                                   
administration's   draft  of   the   bill.     There  is   no                                                                   
controversial  appeals  commission  in  this version  of  the                                                                   
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kelly inquired  if that is critical in getting                                                                   
support  for the  bill.   Commissioner  O'Claray  said it  is                                                                   
difficult to respond  to that question.  He  related that the                                                                   
administration  was interested in  trying to reduce  the time                                                                   
it takes to get an appeal on a  claim resolved.  Commissioner                                                                   
O'Claray replied that the appeals  commission came out of the                                                                   
bill in House Labor and Commerce Committee.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
6:40:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster MOVED to  report HCSSB 130 (JUD) out of                                                                   
Committee.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HCSSB  130 (JUD) was  REPORTED  out of Committee  with  a "no                                                                   
recommendation"  recommendation and  with the following  zero                                                                   
fiscal impact notes,  #7 COM, #9 LEG, and with  the following                                                                   
fiscal notes,  #8 LWD,  #10 LWD,  #11 LAW,  #12 LAW,  and #13                                                                   
LAW.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
6:42:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 150(HES)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to the Alaska children's trust grant                                                                      
     awards."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
JASON HOOLEY,  STAFF, SENATOR DYSON, related  that the Alaska                                                                   
Children's Trust  was created by  the Legislature in  1988 to                                                                   
help  fund programs  around  the  state aimed  at  preventing                                                                   
child abuse  and neglect.  Under  current law, the  trust may                                                                   
spend the  net income earned by  the trust to  fund community                                                                   
based prevention  programs.  However, current  statute limits                                                                   
the  size  of  grants to  $50,000  and  provides  a  specific                                                                   
formula  for  funding grants.    The  Board of  Trustees  has                                                                   
requested additional  flexibility in awarding  grants. SB 150                                                                   
removes  the $50,000  cap and  refines  the funding  formula.                                                                   
The  changes  proposed  by  the   bill  will  allow  trustees                                                                   
flexibility  in setting  grant  awards,  authority to  reduce                                                                   
grants and enforce requirements  for program performance, and                                                                   
authority   to   require   applicants    to   include   self-                                                                   
sustainability plans in their proposals.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
6:44:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze asked who the grant recipients are.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
JOEL GILBERTSON, COMMISSIONER,  DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH & SOCIAL                                                                   
SERVICES, explained  that he is  sitting in for  the trustees                                                                   
who have previously testified  at every hearing.  He read the                                                                   
list of grant recipients: Bartlett  Regional Hospital; Center                                                                   
for  Community,  Sitka;  City   of  Saxman;  Covenant  House,                                                                   
Anchorage;  Fairbanks  Counseling   and  Adoption;  Fairbanks                                                                   
Resource  Agency;  Homer  Children's  Services;  Hoonah  City                                                                   
Schools; Juneau Family Birth Center;  REACH, Juneau; Resource                                                                   
Center   for   Parents  and   Children,   Fairbanks;   Sutton                                                                   
Elementary  School;   Talkeetna  Elementary   School;  Tundra                                                                   
Women's Coalition, Bethel; Seaview, Seward.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Gilbertson related  that the reason the trustees                                                                   
asked for this  legislation is because the  Alaska Children's                                                                   
Trust has  been set up so that  the grants are paid  from the                                                                   
earning  of the fund  and the  earnings have  been flat.   He                                                                   
explained  about the  trust  and the  recurring  grants.   He                                                                   
shared that there  would not be any new grants  for the third                                                                   
straight year if SB 150 does not pass.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:48:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze asked  if the  legislation would  prevent                                                                   
large  donations  to  the trusts.    Commissioner  Gilbertson                                                                   
responded  that individuals  could  still  contribute to  the                                                                   
trust.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
6:49:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker stated  that  one of  the problems  is                                                                   
that  there are  not  enough  sidebars when  issuing  grants.                                                                   
They become entitlement programs.   He said he is troubled by                                                                   
that and he called it an anti-accountability bill.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Gilbertson  disagreed.   He  stressed that  the                                                                   
bill  does the  exact opposite  because  it ends  "continuous                                                                   
grants"  and caps them  at four  years.   It would also  give                                                                   
greater authority to the trustees.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker concurred  with the  idea of  limiting                                                                   
grants.   Commissioner  Gilbertson explained  that Section  5                                                                   
adds  a plan  for sustainability  and self-sufficiency  after                                                                   
the grant  period, and it extends  authority to the  board to                                                                   
reduce or discontinue a grant.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
6:52:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft  pointed out that,  in one way,  it does                                                                   
remove the  sidebars, but in  another way it  establishes new                                                                   
sidebars.   He asked  why the  $50,000 cap  is not  retained.                                                                   
Commissioner Gilbertson relayed  the current fiscal challenge                                                                   
of the trust.  The trust has received federal funding.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Croft  asked if the federal money  is governed                                                                   
by these rules.  Commissioner  Gilbertson replied that it is.                                                                   
He described how  it was administered, including  a statewide                                                                   
media campaign.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
6:55:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze MOVED  to report  CSSB 150  (HES) out  of                                                                   
Committee   with    individual   recommendations    and   the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal  note.  There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSSB  150 (HES)  was REPORTED  out  of Committee  with a  "no                                                                   
recommendation" recommendation  and with a zero fiscal impact                                                                   
note by the Department of Health and Social Services.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
6:56:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 208                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  authorizing  the Department  of  Military  and                                                                   
     Veterans' Affairs  to establish and maintain  an Alaskan                                                                   
     veterans'   cemetery;   and  establishing   the   Alaska                                                                   
     veterans' cemetery fund in the general fund."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  DAVID GUTTENBERG,  SPONSOR, noted that  there                                                                   
is  a companion  bill  to HB  208.   He  related  a story  to                                                                   
explain the reason behind the  need for this bill.  There are                                                                   
currently two veterans' cemeteries,  one in Anchorage and one                                                                   
in Sitka.   The state does  not qualify for another  one, but                                                                   
it  does qualify  for a  state  cemetery, of  which the  U.S.                                                                   
Department of Veterans  Affairs would fund up  to 100 percent                                                                   
of the development costs.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg pointed  out  that two  amendments                                                                   
from Military  and Veterans Affairs  Committee made  the bill                                                                   
stronger.   The first one on page  2, line 2, added  that the                                                                   
cemetery  fund  would  benefit,  and line  22  allows  for  a                                                                   
cemetery  to  be developed  elsewhere  in  the state  in  the                                                                   
future.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
6:59:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker asked if  it was inconsistent  on page                                                                   
2,  line 21,  to say  the  department "shall"  do  this.   He                                                                   
thought  it  should  be  "may".    Representative  Guttenberg                                                                   
mentioned that in  setting up a cemetery, there  are a lot of                                                                   
restrictions.   "Shall"  implies that  it might  take a  long                                                                   
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker  was  "troubled"  by that  word.    He                                                                   
supported  giving the  department the  authority to  pursue a                                                                   
new  cemetery, however,  he opined  that "shall"  could be  a                                                                   
"road-block".  He said he did  not want to see the department                                                                   
sued.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:01:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft suggested  that it  should say  "shall"                                                                   
maintain.  He thought that it was a laudable program.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:02:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Stoltze   thought  that  the   Veterans  Advisory                                                                   
Committee  should decide  where  the next  cemetery would  be                                                                   
built.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
7:03:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Guttenberg explained that  there is  only one                                                                   
place  it   is  eligible  to   be  established,   because  of                                                                   
population criteria.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:04:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  asked if the  Senate version would  be coming                                                                   
to the Committee soon.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Weyhrauch  thought that it was  mandatory.  He                                                                   
asked why  it would be up  to a determination of  an Advisory                                                                   
Panel.    Representative  Guttenberg responded  that  the  VA                                                                   
provides   a  grant   of  up   to  100%   based  upon   their                                                                   
qualifications.   The legislation does not attempt  to change                                                                   
that.  The only  place that qualifies for the  program is the                                                                   
Interior.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
7:07:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Croft said  he wanted  to see something  like                                                                   
this pass.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:07:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer stated that the  bill should be held until the                                                                   
status of the Senate bill is known.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HB 208 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:08:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 142(L&C)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to ownership of land by regional                                                                          
     school boards; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Hawker surmised that  the State of  Alaska is                                                                   
deferring  to  federal  regulations.     He  spoke  to  state                                                                   
primacy.  He stated that it is a shortsighted approach.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
7:09:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms.  Wilson  commented  that  there  is  actual  housing  and                                                                   
schools on airport  property.  The bill only  states that the                                                                   
title to the land cannot be granted.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
7:10:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster  MOVED to report CSSB 142  (L&C) out of                                                                   
Committee  with  individual  recommendations   and  with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal notes.  There  being NO OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSSB  142 (L&C)  was REPORTED  out  of Committee  with a  "no                                                                   
recommendation"  recommendation  and  with  two  zero  fiscal                                                                   
impact notes: #1 EED, and #2 DOT.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster observed  that in his district villages                                                                   
are in close proximity to airport property.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
7:12:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CS FOR SENATE BILL NO. 144(RES)                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating to regulations, definitions, and                                                                          
     permits under the emission control permit program; and                                                                     
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
AMY SEITZ, STAFF, SENATOR TOM  WAGONER, explained that SB 144                                                                   
is a clean-up bill.   In 2003 the legislature  passed HB 160,                                                                   
which  streamlined   Alaska's   air  permitting  process   by                                                                   
aligning the state's requirements  with federal requirements.                                                                   
It  also addresses  permit  fees  allowing  DEC to  revoke  a                                                                   
permit when the fees are not paid.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
7:15:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Holm spoke of a  problem with emission control                                                                   
in Fairbanks.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
7:17:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  KUTERBACH, DIVISION  OF  AIR QUALITY  AND AIR  PERMITS,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT OF  ENVIRONMENTAL CONSERVATION, offered  to answer                                                                   
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
7:17:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE MULDER, ASSISTANT ATTORNEY  GENERAL, DEPARTMENT OF LAW,                                                                   
(via teleconference) offered to answer questions.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
7:17:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster  MOVED to report CSSB 144  (RES) out of                                                                   
Committee   with    individual   recommendations    and   the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal  note.  There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSSB  144 (RES)  was REPORTED  out  of Committee  with a  "no                                                                   
recommendation" recommendation  and with a zero fiscal impact                                                                   
note by the Department of Environmental Conservation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
7:19:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 208                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act authorizing the Department of Military and                                                                         
     Veterans' Affairs to establish and maintain an Alaskan                                                                     
     veterans' cemetery; and establishing the Alaska                                                                            
     veterans' cemetery fund in the general fund."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Stoltze MOVED to ADOPT Conceptual Amendment 1:                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     On page 2, line 21, change "shall" to "may"                                                                                
     Page 2, line 28, after "shall" add "in consultation                                                                        
     with the Alaska Veterans' Advisory Council"                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
7:21:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative  Foster   MOVED  to  report  HB   208  out  of                                                                   
Committee   with    individual   recommendations    and   the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal  note.  There being NO  OBJECTION, it was                                                                   
so ordered.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CSHB 208 (FIN) was REPORTED out of Committee with a "do                                                                         
pass" recommendation and with an indeterminate fiscal impact                                                                    
note by Military and Veterans Affairs.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 7:22 PM.                                                                                           

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